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Post by Arien Elensar on Mar 26, 2005 18:24:05 GMT -5
that could be why. But I like it when books stick to the book. Never really found one like that.
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Post by Elendille on Mar 31, 2005 11:15:53 GMT -5
It was kindness that made the director/producer stray so far from "time to kill" but I digress lol. Hmm I louurrve HP, not so much Harry he gnaws me mad at times, but Sirius yes, sniff! JKR is down to my last nerve lol. Hermione is an absolute drat! Every book I hate her more, guess it's because I always saw her as Emma Watson seeing the first movie before reading the books - and HP3 was wth? I did love his presentation of the ringwraiths oops breath suckers lol, but it was too dark for the spirit I read in and PoA was always my favourite of the books! The similarities are uncanny. Not just the names - whatever, but the idea is all there. New world, a mix of history/future etc and of course the one story line - overcome - odds, changes, whatever. JKR has a lot to work with, she's incorporated our common myths, legends, histories etc into her work whereas Tolkien set out to create his own to make up for the lack of English myths etc. Hate to be judgemental but as much as I love HP (I've two copies of the fifth book and 1 of the rest - have read them ad nauseum) the HP world barely scrapes the depth and integrity of Arda - Ainulindale -whatever you want to call it. Also JKR writes with ease and fluidity - it's the easiest form of writing there is, she gets away with murder of linguistics law for the sake of that flow. any child can write like that though undoubtedly without the same grasp and livery of imagination. Tolkien was a lot more bogged with restriction. He wrote for an age in a reporter or third party manner. And that's awfully hard to incite the passion his works have over the throng - one of which is moi But then we're becoming easier to appease as a people. Not to mention the tangible reminders JKR has with Latin overtures which is our Quenya and the emotion! No more strictness for writing styles but we should still curb the kids from writing like JKR until they have the same imagination and bestseller lol. I rate "To Kill a mockingbird" higher than HP anyday. LotR is untouchable Besides Harry's magic is over the seven books, whereas LotR is one.
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Post by Arien Elensar on Mar 31, 2005 16:40:49 GMT -5
Sirus is awesome!
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Post by Herenya on Apr 1, 2005 1:22:52 GMT -5
I like the language in HP better than LOTR. So maybe that's not true. I think in HP it flows better, and is easier to follow. I personally like that "overall" language used in HP better, but I like aspects of Tolkien's writing better as well. Oh, i know what I mean, but I don't think I'm getting it across. *bangs head in frustration* I'm not putting down Tolkien in anyway...
Let's just say that they are different. I like to say that Tolkien was writing a history, not a story, and it's reflected in his writing style.
^disagree. You should have seen it when in yr 10 myenglish class had to write short stories... *shudders* Since so many people in it didn't "read" so many could write...
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Post by Jenny on Apr 1, 2005 20:52:58 GMT -5
I agree with you, Herenya, their writing styles are just different, neither is inferior to the other. I like Tolkiens writing style for some reasons, and JKR's for others. I think they're both brilliant! One thing I love about the HP books, is that you can laugh, cry, and fume in anger all in the same chapter! A lot of people are critical about these books because they are "kids books" and there are wizards, but the characters are just as real as characters in other fictional books, and have so many dimensions that you feel like you know them
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Post by Arien Elensar on Apr 1, 2005 22:00:19 GMT -5
I agree. the writing styles of both are different so it's more preference.
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Sahnae[Soft-whisper]
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Post by Sahnae[Soft-whisper] on Apr 7, 2005 12:14:19 GMT -5
harry potter isn't a copy cat jezus, you mean voldemort and sauron right 1 harry potter isn't evil and 2 VOLDEMORT wants the prophercy not a ring, read the books before you make asumptions
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specters from His dark materials ARE WHITE
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Post by Sahnae[Soft-whisper] on Apr 7, 2005 12:16:32 GMT -5
I only liked the first movie. They completely messed up the third. i also agree with her^^^^^^ The 3rd movie they left out so much important stuf fout the book i heard j.k. was raving when they were producing it
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Post by Arien Elensar on Apr 7, 2005 13:24:26 GMT -5
Yeah! And they changed parts of it and put int stuff that never happened just to make it shorter. And Shrieking Shack part was so short and quick compared to the book were it was like two or three chapters. It would have been more popular if they had stuck to the book and made it longer. And this was the one I was really looking forward to.
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Post by Jenny on Apr 7, 2005 17:45:18 GMT -5
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Post by Arien Elensar on Apr 7, 2005 23:22:47 GMT -5
She seems okay with it but I don't think some of the viewers were. But then again she is right. Itr's not easy but they could have put a little more effort in to it. the mind and the big screen don't easily mix.
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Post by Herenya on Apr 8, 2005 5:54:30 GMT -5
the mind and the big screen don't easily mix. Agree. i guess for JK Rowling, it probably doesn't bother her what happens to the films, since she has perfect control over the books! On the other hand, it wouldn't be good for her to be seen siding against the films - so of course she'd give them her support. It would cause too much of an outcry if she didn't.
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Apr 8, 2005 7:18:35 GMT -5
Ok, here I go. I do think that Rowling has taken may things from other books and modified them a bit so she can call them her own. In some cases she has taken something from one book and something from another and crosses them. Example: Dementors or whatever they're called, are like Nazgul from LotR and Draghkar from Robert Jordan's books (can't remember what they're called .) The Darghkar have this thing where they suck a person's soul out through their mouth, just like Dementors, and this is called the Draghkar's Kiss, just as Rowling's is called the Dementor's kiss. Coincidence? Too much of one if you ask me. And then you can compare them to Nazgul. Yes I have read the ALL FIVE books, and no, I do not like them. The third one was the one I read first, and it was bearable...just. But when I read the first two, I was amazed. How the hell did the books get so popular with the first two??!! For me they are too childish, boring and I don't like Rowling's style of writing. You may ask why I read them if I hate them so much. One reason was the vain hope they could improve, and the second and main reason was because I have found that it isn't fair to criticise something unless you have first hand experiance of it. I don't like people criticising LotR when they haven't read it, so I will not do the same to HP. As for the films...I reserve judgement on the third one as I haven't seen it. After the first two (the second of which I was forced to see with blackmail: I could ony watch The Two Towers at the cinema if I went to see HP. I grudgingly agreed, but this person broke their promies and i never got to see TT. Long story) there was no chance I would go to see it. The films are, if possible, worse than the books. The acting is so atrocious that it made it torture for me to watch it. Believe me, if I could have done i would have walked right out of the cinema and demanded my money back. I will be expecting a barrage of hatemail now, but I have stated my opinion, and isn't everyone entitled to that?
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Post by Arien Elensar on Apr 8, 2005 18:43:45 GMT -5
Yeah, and I can see why she's so easy going with it because she has full control over the books and that's were the movies come from and yes it also wouldn't look very good. But I'll bet if they had done worse she would have said something.
Yes of course you can have your opinion! I on the other hand liked them. I'm not as obsessed about HP as LOTR but I still get anxious before each book. I actually like the writing style. Yeah, she did copy some stuff but it's very hard not to. And I didn't like the movies either, except the frist one. The acting really isn't that good. Well, except Snape and Dumbledore and McGonagall because they have experience. but I really don't like the movies. i guess some people don't like the writing style of HP but they do of LOTR because they are basically completely the opposite.
I see no reason for you to get a hore of hate mail. You gave your honest opinion and that's fine.
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Apr 9, 2005 4:32:38 GMT -5
Thanks Arien Elensar
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