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Post by Valaraukar on Jul 8, 2004 22:30:53 GMT -5
In TTT Gandalf was fighting his Enemy in the depths of Khazad-dum and then went on to climb the Endless Stair and then defeated his enemy at the peak of the tower.
Somwhere between then and when he enters the plot again and tells his story to Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli he becomes Gandalf the White, instead of Gandalf the Grey. But how does this happen?
I couldnt find it in the book when he tells of his battle with the Balrog.
Does someone know?
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Emmeral
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Post by Emmeral on Jul 8, 2004 22:38:32 GMT -5
I read about it in the fellowship, not sure what chapter, but I know that Gandalf had to follow his enemy into the darkness. Something like that. I have to read it again to find out more.
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Post by Valaraukar on Jul 9, 2004 15:09:52 GMT -5
I still dont know HOW he changed from grey to white, i sort of know where but not how.
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Post by noja2004 on Jul 9, 2004 22:11:47 GMT -5
after he defeated the balrog he died and thus went back to valinor where the valar sent him back as gandalf the white
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Post by Valaraukar on Jul 9, 2004 23:19:40 GMT -5
THANKS ;D
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Post by † Rumil † on Jul 10, 2004 9:31:04 GMT -5
Yes, he was sent back, because he had not accomplished all of his mission.
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Post by Frodo Baggins on Jul 24, 2004 10:37:43 GMT -5
They probably made him stronger so that he could have a better chance to complete his mission.
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Post by Aragil on Jul 24, 2004 11:39:37 GMT -5
No he became better because Tolkien wanted it that way...
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Post by Frodo Baggins on Jul 24, 2004 11:43:00 GMT -5
Yeah right... That is one of the most stupid assumption I've ever heard! He became stronger to be able to help the free people of Middle Earth fight Sauron.
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Post by ~*~ôEoWyNô~*~ on Aug 5, 2004 14:30:33 GMT -5
When Gandalf began Gandalf the White the reason was that he was given more power. White is the colour of purity, which in Middle-Earth means power. Saruman's power was stripped away from him when he made himself Saruman the many-Coloured, because he was no longer pure. Fate, I think, plays a lot into this story. Saruman was fated to die because he, his soul, was no longer pure. As was Sauron fated to die because his soul was not pure. It may take more than 1 age, but the gods eventualy destroy all which is unpure. They do not do it themselves though, instead great deads are done by those who are pure of heart and believe in good, not evil. Such as Frodo.
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Post by Frodo Baggins on Aug 6, 2004 12:48:18 GMT -5
By the way: I like Gandalf the Grey better than the White, sort of... I think it is because I think he is more down to earth than his reincarnation.
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Post by ElwoodLover on Aug 7, 2004 4:57:14 GMT -5
me too...he was much cooler, and when he became gandalf the white he seemed to be a little more uptight, but maybe that's because there was a war going on...haha
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Post by iscreamjohnnydepp on Aug 10, 2004 12:09:48 GMT -5
after they knew that saruman was evil they took away saruman's powers and his well, white, white was said to be the most powerful and the purest and they realized that Gandalf was the only that fit that description.
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Post by † Rumil † on Aug 12, 2004 8:41:50 GMT -5
No he became better because Tolkien wanted it that way... ? Tolkien might have wanted it that way, but he made it fit into the story.
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Post by Frodo Baggins on Aug 12, 2004 8:47:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. I don't think Tolkien would have just changed Gandalf just like that, I think that it was sort of needed for the book to be the way it became. And also, Gandalf the Grey was more subtle with his magic and the White used it much more.
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