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Jul 21, 2004 13:07:16 GMT -5
Post by Frodo Baggins on Jul 21, 2004 13:07:16 GMT -5
Here is the account of Sam: When Rose died in the year 61, Sam left Bag End to his oldest son Frodo Gardner and gave The Red Book to his daughter Elanor. He went to the Grey Havens, where it is said that he passed over the the Sea into the West. It is hoped that he was reunited with Frodo before he died. Here is the account of Legolas and Gimli : After the death of Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli travel over the sea...most probably with Samwise. Samwise travelled (According to his heirs) to the Grey Havens and went to Valinor. There, he did not die, since nothing dies there. And he did NOT travel with Gimli and Legolas, since they went over the sea from Anduin and Pelargir, not from The Grey Havens. Sam left two years before they did, so he coulden't have travelled with them.
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Jul 29, 2004 12:00:54 GMT -5
Post by TariAmandil on Jul 29, 2004 12:00:54 GMT -5
I think it would be really cool if a book was written on their lives after the end of the trilogy... I think that Tolkien made it that way so that we would think about how they lived afterwards... you know, kinda think about what might have happened to them.
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Jul 29, 2004 16:14:08 GMT -5
Post by Frodo Baggins on Jul 29, 2004 16:14:08 GMT -5
I am "always" thinking about what happened to them! I'm always thinking about different scenarios that could happen.
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Jul 31, 2004 23:17:28 GMT -5
Post by Diamond on Jul 31, 2004 23:17:28 GMT -5
Actually, all mortals die in Valinor. Frodo and Bilbo and Sam just lived out their remaining years there.
Like I said before, everyone, read "The End of the Third Age". It's got an Epilogue featuring Sam and his kids, actually two versions, and it is absolutely sweet.
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Aug 1, 2004 7:03:25 GMT -5
Post by Frodo Baggins on Aug 1, 2004 7:03:25 GMT -5
Actually, all mortals die in Valinor. Frodo and Bilbo and Sam just lived out their remaining years there. Like I said before, everyone, read "The End of the Third Age". It's got an Epilogue featuring Sam and his kids, actually two versions, and it is absolutely sweet. I know now that they died there In fact, in Akallabêth it says that humans at least would fade away even faster.... Like a moth in constantly blinding light. I don't know how it is about Frodo and Bilbo, though, since they were allowed to go there... Maybe they got the choice of Eärendil and could be immortals?
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~*~ôEoWyNô~*~
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Pippin...you've never done a hard days work!!!
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Aug 4, 2004 10:19:45 GMT -5
Post by ~*~ôEoWyNô~*~ on Aug 4, 2004 10:19:45 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]I can't believe mortals die in valinor!!I thought that they would at least get to live forever there!!I hope that Bilbo and Frodo got granted the choice of immortality cuz they deserve it the most..and Sam too!![/glow]
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Aug 4, 2004 12:06:57 GMT -5
Post by Frodo Baggins on Aug 4, 2004 12:06:57 GMT -5
Maybe they did, I mean, they had all a huge part in the destruction of the Ring, and without them, the Ring would still have been had by Gollum, and maybe Sauron even had gotten it back. Because, when Bilbo took the Ring Gollum went out of his cave, but I think he would have got out anyway, since he felt Sauron's call, when The Eye called all armies to Mordor. The reason he felt that was because he had had the Ring so long, so he was a bit evil inside, and all evil was "pulled" to Mordor. So without Bilbo Sauron would, as Galadriel said, had dominion over the earth all to the ending of the world.
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Aug 7, 2004 11:46:04 GMT -5
Post by TrueElvenWarrior on Aug 7, 2004 11:46:04 GMT -5
i absolutly agreed i mean if ya dint read the book u dun no why frodo had to leave i saw the movie b4 i reaad the book so i was confused about the ending
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Ringbearer
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"Run Shadowfax, Show Us The Meaning Of Haste!"
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Sept 1, 2004 11:49:29 GMT -5
Post by Ringbearer on Sept 1, 2004 11:49:29 GMT -5
I think that it was a perfect ending and I wouldn't have it any other way! ......
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Eriol
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The fate of the many is decided by the few
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Sept 3, 2004 15:22:25 GMT -5
Post by Eriol on Sept 3, 2004 15:22:25 GMT -5
It is sort of a purgatory for them though, isnt it, particularly Frodo, who was suffering the hurts of the riong more seriously.
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Estella
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And as for our star... Miss Christine Daae....
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Sept 3, 2004 15:33:07 GMT -5
Post by Estella on Sept 3, 2004 15:33:07 GMT -5
I don't think that Frodo, Bilbo, and Sam would be granted the choice between mortality and immortality because, even though they DID do something good and selfless for the world, it's not usually up to the individuals themselves to decide their fate. I mean, sure Elrond and Elros got to make that decision, but they have Elvish blood, and Arwen prolly just ended up dying from grief after Aragorn died.
So as much as we'd love to think of Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam living forever, the Undying Lands do not make you immortal. The only benefit that Frodo received from going to Valinor was that he would be free from the pain that his many wounds caused him annually. I wouldn't exactly call it purgatory, just a nicer place to live. ;D
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Eriol
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The fate of the many is decided by the few
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Sept 3, 2004 15:40:01 GMT -5
Post by Eriol on Sept 3, 2004 15:40:01 GMT -5
I disagree. I think that you're right in that they wouldnt live forever, but they would live longer over there. I mean everything is said to be evergreen in the UD, but it is also said that nothing mortal can last forever no matter what.
I think that they would have had extended lives, surey in peace as well, but still subject to their hurts.
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Sept 21, 2004 12:37:50 GMT -5
Post by Tárië Úcenite on Sept 21, 2004 12:37:50 GMT -5
There is some things I'd love to read more about and I have a lot of questions to several of the happenings afterwards...I'll just have to dig some more o find other books that can give me some answers.
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Sept 29, 2004 11:27:07 GMT -5
Post by Lenwë Telrúnya on Sept 29, 2004 11:27:07 GMT -5
well coudnt we get peter jackson to make up a movie about that cos that would be brilliant
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Oct 9, 2004 20:07:33 GMT -5
Post by Alassiel on Oct 9, 2004 20:07:33 GMT -5
If you read the appendix at the end of the ROTK, look for, later events concerning the fellowship. Aragorn dies, Merry and Pippin are berried next to him, Rosie dies (Sam's wife), Sam gives the Red book to his daughter Elanor, and Sam goes into the West, last of the Ring Bearers, Legolas and Gimli, go into the West together!!!
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