elvenrose
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What are these tears upon your face, soon you will see all your fears will pass away
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Post by elvenrose on Mar 16, 2005 17:52:59 GMT -5
“But you are alone. Who knows what you’ve spoken to the darkness, in bitter watches of the night, when all your life seems to shrink, the walls of your bower closing in about you, a hutch to trammel some wild thing in.”
What is this passage meant to mean?
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Post by Ktstar on Mar 16, 2005 19:26:16 GMT -5
Who spoke this and to whom?
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elvenrose
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Post by elvenrose on Mar 17, 2005 14:10:50 GMT -5
Grima Wormtongue speaks it to Eowyn of Rohan.
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elvenrose
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Post by elvenrose on Mar 17, 2005 14:12:40 GMT -5
Oh, referring to the movie, Wormtongue speaks to Eowyn,
and in the book, Gandalf speaks these same words to Eowyn.
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Post by Arien Elensar on Mar 17, 2005 14:14:27 GMT -5
I think wha he means is that who knows what she says when she is alone and that he evasdrops on her.
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elvenrose
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What are these tears upon your face, soon you will see all your fears will pass away
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Post by elvenrose on Mar 17, 2005 14:32:04 GMT -5
I think wha he means is that who knows what she says when she is alone and that he evasdrops on her. Oh, thanks.
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Post by Arien Elensar on Mar 17, 2005 14:39:32 GMT -5
Glassen!
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Mar 17, 2005 15:33:11 GMT -5
I think wha he means is that who knows what she says when she is alone and that he evasdrops on her. Maybe, but what would Gandalf mean when he says it? Because it's really Gandalf who says it, not Wormtongue (things in the book always come first to me .)
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Post by Arien Elensar on Mar 17, 2005 18:11:57 GMT -5
Hmmm...I'm not sure what it menas in the book but that's what it menas in the movie. And I also put stuff in the books first.
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Post by Herenya on Mar 20, 2005 0:35:24 GMT -5
I'm sure in the book it's what Gandalf says to Eomer after Theoden has been slain and Eowyn is in the houses of healing... *races off to grab book* yep, Gandalf says to Eomer "but who knows what she spoke into the darkness akabem in the bitter watches of the night, when all her life seemed shrinking..."etc.
I think he's saying to Eomer that Eowyn wasn't as happy or satisfied as she appeared, and that he, Eomer, doesn't know everything about her. I guess Gandalf is almost sympathising with Eowyn's plight, and is trying to point out that her react to Aragorn isn't a cause - only a symptom.
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Post by Arien Elensar on Mar 20, 2005 7:30:32 GMT -5
That's sounds very right. so when she was upset who knows what she said, it could have affect.
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Post by Alatariel on Apr 12, 2005 11:34:47 GMT -5
Maybe when Gandalf says it to Eowyn he means that Grima spies on her and when Grima says it to her in the movie, he's saying he spies on her.
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Post by † Rumil † on Apr 23, 2005 10:48:56 GMT -5
This is my version:
Wormtongue knows that Eowyn is highly troubled. He knows her dark thoughts. He is just trying to reassure her, but failing miserably. Well..Not reassure. Frighten. He's trying to trick her. Scare her.
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elvenrose
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Post by elvenrose on Apr 25, 2005 16:37:13 GMT -5
This is my version:
Wormtongue knows that Eowyn is highly troubled. He knows her dark thoughts. He is just trying to reassure her, but failing miserably. Well..Not reassure. Frighten. He's trying to trick her. Scare her.
Oh yep, that makes sense.
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Post by Celebwen on Apr 26, 2005 22:52:22 GMT -5
This is my version:
Wormtongue knows that Eowyn is highly troubled. He knows her dark thoughts. He is just trying to reassure her, but failing miserably. Well..Not reassure. Frighten. He's trying to trick her. Scare her.
I took it a bit like that, but more trying to trick her into believing that he's the only one giving her smypathy. Or something like that. I dunno. I think I get that impression because it's later implied (In the scene that Eomer is banished) that Grima wants her to like him. I think Eomer says something like, 'When all the men are dead, you'll take your share of the treasure.'
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