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Post by Elanor on Jan 3, 2005 16:54:18 GMT -5
I was watching RotK with my family yesterday and they were complaining about the number of endings. Of course I tried to defend the film but really the only reason I could come up with for this was "it's like that in the books" Thinking about it I now think the film could have ended after Aragorn's crowned. There is no need to show Sam's wedding it's nice to see but the casual movie watchers will never remember Rosie from FOTR and it could be left out of the bit on Mount Doom. I could even accept leaving out the grey havens esspecailly as I don't think they were handled very well in the film. Frodo is shown as being happy back in the Shire so it seems a very sudden decision to leave. I thought the parting at the grey havens was too drawn out and basicly saying to the audience "you should be crying now" which I found a bit annoying. Anyway what are your thoughts on this idea? I have a feeling it won't be that popular  |
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Post by Messenger Of Mordor on Jan 3, 2005 17:08:04 GMT -5
I didn't see it that way.
If you ended after Aragorn and Arwen's wedding, people who only watched the movies would never know if the hobbits went back to the shire. And them going back is important. Even if they didn't have the Scouring of the Shire in the movie. You need to show they can go back to the way it was (or most of them can).
And I didn't really see Frodo leaving as being so sudden. They had the voice over where he was in Bag End talking about how some hurts go too deep and such. Him leaving shows that things can't always go back to the way they were, at least not for everyone involved.
I do agree it did seem a little long and if you hadn't read the book you might get bored. But I think they did it justice to the book. The only thing I would have added was the Scouring of the Shire. I like that the hobbits stand up for themselves and that even they were affected as a whole by the War of the Ring.
Frankly, if they hadn't had those multiple endings showing Sam getting married and Frodo leaving on the Ship at the Grey Havens and Sam coming home saying "I'm back," I would have been really disappointed.
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Post by Elanor on Jan 3, 2005 17:15:53 GMT -5
Yes I would have been disapointed too but now I've seen them I don't think I would have minded them being left out. Maybe that's a bit hypocritical though.
I think most people would realise they'd go back to the Shire. Perhaps they could put in comment about not being able to wait to get home.
Yes but that voice over was just before he left so I still felt it was too quick. And I know what you mean about him leaving but I don't really feel it's that much of an important message for the film as a whole especially as I don't think they went into his life being changed that much.
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Post by Messenger Of Mordor on Jan 3, 2005 17:20:12 GMT -5
True, they didn't go into his life being changed that much but if they did that then they would have spent even longer on the ending than they did. Somethings are easier to write and then understand in reading it than to show in a movie.
*shrug* I think the ending was more of a hats off to those fans who wished the movie was more like the book and to Tolkien himself.
Ultimately I'm happy with the ending.
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Post by Chrysophylax on Jan 3, 2005 17:41:43 GMT -5
I think it tied up the ends well. I mean, I don't think it's a very neat tidy-up, but I think it all needs to be included in the conclusion. If I was a film-only person, I'd feel very disappointed not knowing what had happened to each of the characters in the end. I think I'd feel somewhat cheated.
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Post by Arsarniel on Jan 3, 2005 19:16:17 GMT -5
Personally, I think that the only way of saying that there were multiple endings would be to say that there were points in the film where it was edited as if the film was ending. Like PJ said in one of the documentaries, the only real "other ending" was Aragorn and Arwen. The rest of the film was only ending Frodo and Sam's stories, but I do say that the editing does give the impression of multiple endings.  |
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Post by MarenweGreanleaf on Jan 3, 2005 20:02:44 GMT -5
i think they were very necessary!! i have not read the books...working on them now...if it ended after the wedding....i would be confused and not like it as much. the grey havens is a very important scen and was handled well. frodo was not necessarilly happy. and he did explain that some hurts go to deep. also i think seeing sam's wedding with rosie is necessary. many people wanted to know if they would be together! and thats what we got.
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Jan 5, 2005 14:00:29 GMT -5
I agree with what PJ (I think it was PJ) said on one of the extra discs of the RotK EE: If the film ended after Aragorn and Arwen were reuinited it would be like saying that it was Aragorn's story, the entire thing ends when his story ends. BUT IT'S NOT ARAGORN'S STORY!!! IT'S the hobbits' story and therefore the film should end where the Hobbits' story ends. And I liked Sam and Rosie's wedding. And I was so pleased that they made the last line of the film 'well...I'm back.' The only problem was that he wasn't living in Bag End  but that's a minor detail...I suppose. lol |
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Post by oceansun on Jan 7, 2005 14:39:01 GMT -5
yes I do think that the mulitple endings are important.they have to show the hobbits going home, and the gray havens, and everything..it's important..cause the book ends a bit different they go back to the shire and have to fight and have a bunch of stuff going on..which wasn't in the movie..so they had to figure out a way to end it..and I think that they did a brilliant job.
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Post by Celebrien_Undomiel on Jan 20, 2005 18:49:54 GMT -5
Yes, the multiple endings are nessasary. They add depth and insight to the story. If they had ended with Aragorn's coronation, people would have been even worse than they already are. They would have wondered what happened to the hobbits, if Sam ever saw Rosie again, and book readers would be especially dissapointed if Sam's "I"m back" line was not there.
Personally, I adored everything about the movie, and I have to say, I'd be pretty f**kn mad if PJ didn't put them in.
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Post by .+ *.Lúthien Star-Lover.* +. on Jan 20, 2005 18:56:50 GMT -5
I loved every minute of RotK... there wen't to many endings! I would have been VERY dissapointed if they hadn't of shown the Grey Havens... its a very important part of the book. And of course they had to show Sam at the end with Rosie and his kids!!!
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Post by ElanortheFair on Jan 31, 2005 22:44:31 GMT -5
Yes, the were needed. I never even noticed all of them, until I saw something about it on ROTK EE. I would have liked more! Like the Scouring of the Shire and also about what happened to Gimli and Legolas! Maybe even a bit on Pippin, Merry, and Aragorn! ;D You can never have too many endings!
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Post by Frodo on Feb 7, 2005 19:56:56 GMT -5
There were lots of endings. When my friend and I were in the theater, we were watching and it was near the end. When Frodo said " I'm glad to be with you, Samwise Gamgee, here at the end of all things", we thought it was the end. And it kept going on and on. And then it finally ended and we left and talked about the endings. |
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Post by Ktstar on Feb 13, 2005 0:08:14 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think there are too many endings. I don't even think of them as multiple endings, just as one long ending. I think that every part of it is necessary, to tie up all the loose ends. It's important to see that Aragorn and Arwen are reunited, and also that the hobbits do get back to the Shire. Sam and Rosie getting married is something that's in the book, and fans like I would miss. Same with the Grey Havens. The only things that I would have liked to be put in there would be the Scouring of the Shire, and also some more about the other members of the Fellowship. And, of course, I love LotR so much that I didn't really want it to end... |
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Post by ea on Mar 16, 2005 15:36:29 GMT -5
Most of RotK is very dark and sad because the shadow has almost overtaken the land and you get this depressing feeling that all hope is lost so maybe it's some sort of a balance. There's got to be a long happy ending to show that each one finds happiness in the end after they having been going through so much pain and despair.
I think too that it is necessary to see the Hobbits go back to the Shire because that's where it all started!
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but that's a minor detail...I suppose. lol 
