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Post by Alessae on Jan 16, 2005 9:29:17 GMT -5
I know someone on here, a long time ago was wondering how Arwen gave her immortality up throught her love to Viggo, and many people replied to it and wondered about it too.
*EDIT* Didn't realise I put Viggo there instead of Aragorn, just laughed at myself for an hour!
I have one of my own ideas, even though many of you may think it's stupid.
When Arwen gave her Evenstar pendant to Aragorn, maybe that was her immortality, and she was giving it away, in the form of her pendant.
Now that isn't exactly how i planned to say it, but I don't how to describe what I mean anymore...
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Post by Raivynn on Jan 16, 2005 11:21:58 GMT -5
That's an interesting thought. I agree somewhat. The way I seen it was a metaphor for her giving Aragorn her eternal love and giving up her immortality to be with him. Such a beautiful and romantic gesture.
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Post by vestalmiss on Jan 16, 2005 14:37:56 GMT -5
I am confused about this myself. How is a necklace so powerful that it can make you immortal.?
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Post by Alessae on Jan 16, 2005 14:56:01 GMT -5
It isn't powerful, I don't really know how to explain what I mean.
She gives away the pendant at the same time she forsakes her immortality so...
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Jan 17, 2005 6:56:18 GMT -5
Now are we talking about the book or the movie here? Because in the book she doesn't give such a pendant to Aragorn, only the Elessar but I that was handed down to Arwen and wasn't a symbol of her immortality.
In the film however, I have often been confused. It leads you to believe that the Evenstar is her immortality, and that by giving it to Aragorn she is giving away her immortality. But I don't agree with this. How could a simple necklace hold her life within it? I think what they did with the whole giving him the Evenstar was rather vague, and needed more of an explanation than what was given.
It's a pretty necklace though, I have one myself ;D. lol
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Post by Raivynn on Jan 17, 2005 7:49:57 GMT -5
The necklace itself doesn't give Arwen her immortality. Being born an elf does.
As I said before, I don't think the Evenstar was a literal thing for her immortality. It was a metaphor, a symbol if it. And by giving the pendant to Aragorn, Arwen gave her undying love and casting aside her immortal life for him.
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Post by beren on Jan 17, 2005 13:21:02 GMT -5
how about the white gem she gave to frodo? issit an evenstar? By the way wat's the use of tat white gem? to ease frodo's morgul wound?
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Post by Alessae on Jan 17, 2005 13:21:15 GMT -5
You took the words out of my brain, Eadwyn, and phrased it exactly how I wanted to, but couldn't.
I wanted an Evenstar pendant too, but I don't know how to buy one off ebay...
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Post by dommi on Jan 17, 2005 16:22:05 GMT -5
Well, the only thing that confused me about the whole thing was that before I even saw the movies, I thought/knew elves could give up their immortality and marry a mortal. But then in the movies, Elrond tells Arwen that if she marries Aragorn that eventually he will die and she will be left all alone until the end of the world (something along those lines). But then I say, "Whoa what? Wouldn'tshe die cus she would give up her immortality?" I mean she even says to Aragorn "I choose a mortal Life" Throughout the movie, they dont stay constant in that whole thing and it left me very confused.
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Post by Alessae on Jan 17, 2005 17:09:59 GMT -5
I'm glad you just became an elf on my thread I understand though, it's entirely confusing...
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Post by ElanortheFair on Jan 20, 2005 20:05:50 GMT -5
Yeah the movie makes it very confusing. During the ROTK it shows it breaking. Is it a sign that she is going to die or what?
Also during the books dosen't it say that Elrond was half-eleven and that his brother (I forgot his name) gave up his immortality. SO could Arwen get that trait to give it up as well?
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Jan 21, 2005 7:08:05 GMT -5
From what I see it as, Earendil the Mariner was a Man, and his wife Elwing was an Elf., they are the parents of Elrond and Elros his brother. Earendil built a ship called Vingilot and sailed to the Undying Lands to try to get help from the Valar in order to defeat Morgoth in Middle-earth. Afterwards Earendil, with the Silmaril, floated up into the sky and became the evening and morningstar star, or the planet Venus as we call it. Elrond and Elros were given the choice to either stay as Elves or to become Mortal. Elrond chose to stay and Elf, but Elros chose the latter option and became the first King of Numenor, ut the life of the Numenoreans was somewhat longer than the lifespan of normal Men. His descendants (of which Elendil was one, and so was Aragorn) did not have the choice. But because Elrond chose to be mortal, his descendants did. Arwen chose to become mortal and share the fate of men, whihc means she would leave the world forever. Eldarion and her other children would not have the choice because she [Arwen] had chose to become mortal (which I don't thinks fair .) These facts I have just given are not covered at all in the film. As far as I am aware (and feel free to correct me) not all Elves could chose to foraske their immortality, only the line of Earendil. So for example Legolas couldn't just decide one day that he wanted to become mortal and hey presto he is. Now I don't know if anything I've said has answered any questions, probably not, but maybe I gave you a little more understanding of...something or other
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Post by Alessae on Jan 22, 2005 9:35:48 GMT -5
Well, that was interesting, yes.
Another thing - Arwens life is connected to the pendant, becuase all the way through the film when you seeit, it's light, shiny and sparkiling. When Elrond realised Arwen was dying, becuase her fate was connected to the ring, and he goes to give the re-forged sword to Aragorn, he said "The light of the evenstar is failing", and the camera focuses on the pendant, and it's isn't as full of life as it was before.
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Post by Alassiel on Jan 24, 2005 19:51:45 GMT -5
My brother always asks me about that, but I can never find the right way to answer him. Yes, how can the necklace be so powerfull, we know what is happening, it just sounds to unbelievable. Nonetheless, it is a beautiful part in the movies ;D
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Jan 25, 2005 5:59:28 GMT -5
Well, that was interesting, yes. Another thing - Arwens life is connected to the pendant, becuase all the way through the film when you seeit, it's light, shiny and sparkiling. When Elrond realised Arwen was dying, becuase her fate was connected to the ring, and he goes to give the re-forged sword to Aragorn, he said "The light of the evenstar is failing", and the camera focuses on the pendant, and it's isn't as full of life as it was before. I've never understood the whole thing with the necklace. Perhaps the use it as a metephor for Arwen's life - that's the only explanation I can come up with. This is a little un-related, but I'd rather she had given him the Elfstone and given Frodo the 'Evenstar'.
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