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Post by vikingmaiden on May 20, 2005 8:07:41 GMT -5
right, this is going to sound a little odd, but doesn't king theoden in the beginning of TTT remind you slightly of king lear (from shakespeare, that is). i don't know. every time i read TTT, i can picture lear...old, taken advantage of by others, downtrodden...theoden sort of is like lear in a way. he is saved by eowyn (and gandalf), and lear is saved by his daughter, cordelia. i don't know if i'm making sense, but it was something that came up in my mind.
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Post by Arien Elensar on May 21, 2005 22:49:22 GMT -5
I don't know but I am a Romeo and Juliet fan because I disagree with stuff in there but I also love it too!
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KiaraSiladhiel
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Post by KiaraSiladhiel on May 22, 2005 3:03:39 GMT -5
you know, you are kinda right...
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Post by Arien Elensar on May 29, 2005 18:50:19 GMT -5
Yes ithat is sort of true. But the thing about such councidences (sp?) is that the plots of Shakespear and Tolkien were already floating around out there and had been used but they took them and made them their own, which turned out so good they are still remembered today.
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ladyelfalane
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Post by ladyelfalane on May 30, 2005 8:37:09 GMT -5
I agree here my Elf friends.  |
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Post by Elanor on May 30, 2005 8:44:34 GMT -5
The Ents attacking Isengard is kind of like the bit in MacBeth where he is defeated when Birnam woods come to Dunsinaid.
Also in RotK the prophesy that no man can kill the witch king is like the prophesy that no man of woman born can kill MacBeth
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Post by Arien Elensar on May 30, 2005 16:15:36 GMT -5
That's true. Though I think they are just mere councidences.
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Eowyn
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Post by Eowyn on May 31, 2005 17:20:51 GMT -5
hmm . . . this is interesting, I never connected two and two together
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Post by Arien Elensar on May 31, 2005 20:31:10 GMT -5
Alot of authors do that without even realizing it. I've done that and my teachers point it out to me and I realize I had no idea.
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Post by Eowyn on May 31, 2005 21:40:50 GMT -5
yeah we do that in english with al sorts of books
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Post by Arien Elensar on May 31, 2005 22:56:58 GMT -5
Yes, It's very common in all literature.
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Post by vikingmaiden on Jun 3, 2005 8:55:06 GMT -5
yes, the macbeth thing i realised too. i think it's cool. of course, shakespeare has such an influence on our own literature, that tolkien probably didn't really conciously think about macbeth or lear when he wrote the book.
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Post by TariAmandil on Jun 3, 2005 11:31:31 GMT -5
You know, I have thought of that before, and I think it makes sense. I did imagine King Lear (before he went mad) as a kind of character like Theoden: brave, intelligent, and very proud. And the connection between Eowyn and Cordelia is interesting as well... Tolkien could have had some influence from Shakespeare. Something for me to think about now...  |
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Post by Master-of-Buckland on Jun 3, 2005 12:16:17 GMT -5
haven't really read a lot of Shakespeare yet, darn. But I will!
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Post by Arien Elensar on Jun 3, 2005 18:46:00 GMT -5
This is from the fact sheet about J.R.R. Tolkien on the main page:
Disliked Shakespeare with a passion
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