~Aranelwen~Elessar~
Dwarf
"I would rather spend one lifetime with you then face all the Ages of this world alone."
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Post by ~Aranelwen~Elessar~ on Oct 31, 2004 5:45:21 GMT -5
Don't you think that if there really had been race of halflings some one would have records of some form it somewhere, and that those records would have been found before the skeletons ever were? Surely someone could'nt have hidden an entire race from the world. Well how do we know that Tolkien didn't find these records? For all we know he could have found the records, and written a stroy from them, but forgot to show anyone else these records? Sorry, I really do believe it was real... You should see some of the massive debates I get into with my friends.....
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Post by TrueElvenWarrior on Oct 31, 2004 11:55:10 GMT -5
that is soooo tru he could have domne that
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Post by Synariel on Nov 1, 2004 8:15:34 GMT -5
Where were things things found exactly?
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Nov 1, 2004 8:31:39 GMT -5
I think they were found somewhere in Asia I personally don't think LotR was true. How coud it be? We know now that man wasn't just 'awoken' by someone like Iluvatar but that we were descendened from apes and they from tiny life forms. But I like to think that there were such things as hobbits, or at least creatures like them. I'd also like to think that perhaps once there were graceful beings like elves that were beautiful beyond the words of mortals (like Luthien) but i seriously doubt it. But maybe thehobbit-like creatures were real...
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Post by Laurëlos on Nov 1, 2004 10:07:56 GMT -5
I read it! It's really awesome... a bit scary, but very cool
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Post by Synariel on Nov 2, 2004 16:47:17 GMT -5
Why would Tolkien have hid something like that? Tolkien loved his work on LOTR, and I think he loved it enough that if he really had found hobbits he would have shared that with us. I don't think I'll debate over this anymore though. What I really want to say can't be told here (no, it's not anything mean or inapropriate). Unless someone still wants to argue with me, then you could email me I guess. But things like this really aren't worth getting into big fights over anyway.
Love sincerely Synariel/Orelinde
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Post by Herenya on Nov 3, 2004 3:18:48 GMT -5
i don't really think lotr really happened, but i'm not going to knock anyone's dream (or belief) that it did happen. tolkien wrote it like it was true, but since the 'hobbits' were found in indonesia (i think), i think it unlikely that tolkien knew about them. however, i still think the hobbitsd that were found were a separate species, and i see no reason why there shouldn't have been a race of people with people with pointy ears. elves appear in many stories - not just tolkien, and they must have been inspired by something.
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Post by Diamond on Nov 6, 2004 11:15:02 GMT -5
The woman's skeleton they found was just nicknamed a "Hobbit" because she was so short. Scientists also found 5 or 6 more skeletons at the same side. They were found on Flores island in Indonesia and apparently are being called Homo floresiensis. The race was isolated on an island and it existed as early as 95,000 years ago. I honestly don't think there would be any records that existed from so long ago. The only reason we know that Neanderthals existed is that we found their skeletons and tools. I heard that the Floresians had folktales up to the 1500s of some little leprachaun-type beings, but a lot of other civilizations have myths of that sort so that doesn't guarantee that Homo floresiensis really existed up to the 1500s. I still think it's fascinating, though!! I found an article on the Internet about an Indonesian scientist who denies that there was a completely different species, but who is to say which view is right? www.laksamana.net/vnews.cfm?ncat=33&news_id=7655There's also a Time magazine article on it here: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041108-749406,00.html
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Post by Eruannatari on Nov 7, 2004 19:29:29 GMT -5
Hmm. I don't know what to make of it... Took the words right from my mouth!
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Post by Taurquende on Nov 13, 2004 16:36:13 GMT -5
They aren't really what we (meaning ringers) would think of as a hobbit. They just called them that because they were short. I read an article about them somewhere and they said they were only short because of the scarcity of food on the islands they were found on, so they ate less than normal and evolved smaller than an average human. I think we all know that LotR hobbits don't eat less than most...
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Post by Peregrin_Took aka Lithoniel on Nov 13, 2004 22:22:27 GMT -5
Omg hobbit skelations!?! I knew it. Hobbits are real! That sounds soooo cool! I wonder if that means that story of Frodo and Sam is true. Remember in the prolouge, Tolkien talked about that hobbits were very rare to find, and about their customs and stuff?
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Post by rickierimshot on May 7, 2005 6:59:24 GMT -5
I saw it too! It was great. And they found bones of Giants! Those people were a couple meters high! More then the averege men! ;D
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Post by Myra on May 8, 2005 7:40:57 GMT -5
I just saw that in MSN.com's video section. They it's exactly a half-sized human being and that's why they have been calling it a Hobbit (Halfling). It is very interesting, but could have been better if they had found it in northern Europe, that could have shocked me totally, sice Tolkien supposedly was depicting a very ancient Europe in his stories. ArieN: In the article it says that there were also such small species found in Ireland!!! To be honest, I also believe that there's a lot of truth in LotR. And why shouldn't there have been Hobbits? Cool. Thanks for sharing this article. Now I've got something that supports my ideas! Btw....a professor once told me that humans sometimes have ideas of things that were before their time. They don't remember it really. But by their intuition they 'know' certain things of the old times and that's why they sometimes find out stuff just by ideas. I know, this sounds not so scientific because I'm not so good at explaining.....and it's a while ago the professor told me. But it's interesting BECAUSE Tolkien could've done it. Maybe his idea of the Hobbits etc. originated from this unconsciously... Just a thought.... But maybe I'm completely wrong. It would be nice tough if Middle Earth would have existed. I like believing in it:)! (Aranelwen: Believe with me then! I agree with ye;D)
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Post by Master-of-Buckland on Jun 2, 2005 5:26:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't doubt though, that there was maybe some other human nationality, who was for some reason wiped out. It's not like that hasn't happened before. But I don't think that there really were any ACTUAL hobbits. No, I think you're right. Didn't they find the skeletons is Thailand or somewhere in the East? But well, let's not all care too much about biology and sensibility. We're LoTR fans! Hobbits! Of course!
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