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Post by dommi on Jan 1, 2005 23:54:50 GMT -5
Okay you know how in the book, Faramir lets Frodo and Sam go after he finds out about the ring, but in the movie, he doesn't, he takes them to Osgiliath instead? Well i think that really downplays Faramir's character. I mean how he just lets them go, it realluy contrasts him with Boromir, and a lot of that is lost in the movie.
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Post by Herenya on Jan 2, 2005 22:37:09 GMT -5
yeah, that REALLY irritated me. It was the only thing that I was really annoyed about in TTT (except that nobody made impressive speaches when they met Eomer). It means that Faramir comes across as being a lot similar to Boromir, when he's not. He's meant to say "not even if I found it on the highway would I take it" and that he understands that there are some perils from which a man must flee. I thought the whole point was that Faramir didn't want that sort of power, and it comes across in the film as if he did!
Also, I can't see why it was changed. It's not like the book version was too difficult to portray or incredibly confusing, or that they really HAD to get Frodo to Osgiliath for the film to work...
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Post by Messenger Of Mordor on Jan 3, 2005 1:23:24 GMT -5
watch the appendices, it explains why.
basically, they needed a conflict in that storyline since they left shelob for rotk. And it would downplay on the power of the ring if it didn't affect Faramir.
I think its in the first appendix for Two Towers EE.
I can understand that... but yeah, I don't particularly like that they changed that aspect of Faramir (because I think that's what makes him a really cool character). but meh, things change from book to movie and some things work better in one form of media than in another.
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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Jan 5, 2005 7:56:53 GMT -5
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Post by Raivynn on Jan 5, 2005 8:16:07 GMT -5
I wasn't overly keen on the change to Faramir either. But I understand why they did it. They had to make non-book readers appreciate just hoe powerful this ring was. And just how tempting it would be to everyone. If you had Faramir basically tossing the ring aside as if it were nothing. That completely takes away that all powerful force from the ring. I don't see the change as making Faramir bad. It makes him human. And being human means being succeptible to temptation in all it's forms.
Another humble musing from yours truly.
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Post by oceansun on Jan 7, 2005 14:35:08 GMT -5
I was a little upset about the whole Faramir thing..eventually I will get over it..not anytime soon thought..lol..
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Post by EldarwenSurion on Jan 12, 2005 13:29:58 GMT -5
But, that happening makes the need for them to be let go bigger?? I makes Faramirs eventual goddness alot more dramatic, for the character.
Get what I mean?
ES xxx
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Post by Lady Undomiel on Mar 20, 2005 20:06:43 GMT -5
PJ and co made all of these changes because they wanted their character to walk the long way from the thinking 'I want the ring' such as Boromir's thinking to the thinking 'I don't need the ring' such is Faramir's thinking in the end of TTT because of all of the changes. That shows that Faramir is really better than Boromir and everyone who has the ROTK EE will see that, will see the long way that the character Faramir has passed - for ROTK EE I mean the scene when Denethor saw the ghost of Boromir...
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Post by Arwen Evenstar on Mar 24, 2005 9:00:30 GMT -5
yes, that really bugs me as well. in the book there is a contrast between boromir and faramir and after the part, when boromir tries to get the ring from frodo, the part when faramir let's go of frodo is a real turnoff. i mean, if it was like in the movie boromir and faramir would be the same.
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Post by Lady Eonev on Mar 29, 2005 22:26:58 GMT -5
If you listen carefully (maybe not so carefully) you will hear Faramir say something like "A chance for Faramir to prove his worth". He wanted the ring to give to his father, so that he would be loved. he didn't want the ring for himself. Didn't anyone notice this? ?? i thought it was a very emotional part of the movie, poor Faramir just wants to be loved! Lady Eonev
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Post by Eldariel on Apr 12, 2005 15:57:24 GMT -5
I hate this change. In the book Faramir said he would not take te Ring if it lay by the side of the road and in the movie he said the Ring will go to Gondor! There are lots of changes in the LOTR movies that make me want to strangle PJ, this is one of them.
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Post by Elewythe on Apr 14, 2005 21:35:56 GMT -5
The change in Faramir's character was probably the change that bugged me the most. I do agree with you, Lady Eonev, about Faramir's line: "A chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor to show his worth." That really ties in with the EE, in the flashback scene when his father says almost the same thing, yet he says it mockingly. I still believe that Faramir's resistance showed his likeness to Aragorn in character and nobility, it is the one thing that sets him apart from all the other power-grabbers.
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Post by °ArieN° on Apr 27, 2005 0:48:57 GMT -5
If you listen carefully (maybe not so carefully) you will hear Faramir say something like "A chance for Faramir to prove his worth". He wanted the ring to give to his father, so that he would be loved. he didn't want the ring for himself. Didn't anyone notice this? ?? i thought it was a very emotional part of the movie, poor Faramir just wants to be loved! Lady Eonev That is just what I was going to say! Haha, I agree with you there. And I also agree that they needed Faramir to act like, a human. If this Ring is sooo powerful, why wouldn't it affect him? I know some of you say that it wasn't nessesary, but to people that didn't have a clue on LotR, it would have been confusing to see a regular guy, however noble and good he may be, not be tempted by it. Well, there you go, my humble opinion
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Post by FaramirFancier on Apr 28, 2005 22:00:56 GMT -5
I think (I'm not sure so don't take my words verbatim) that in the cast commentary they mention something about this. I think (again, not totally sure) it's John Noble, and he says something to the extent of that if Faramir had just rejected the Ring straight away, it would have made him perfectly good (to some extent), and there would be a smaller chance for Character improvement.
Since Faramir attempts to take the Ring to his Father, it sort of shows how he's tempted by it, and wants to prove himself. After Sam tells him that the Ring drove Boromir mad, he seems to rethink the whole idea.
I wasn't that effected by it (I read the books after the movies) but I suppose if that's how you expected it, sure, you're upset. But Faramir's character kind of changes, develops more, and that's good for any character. At the end of RotK, I think he's more like the book Faramir. But that's just me and my opinion.
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Post by Lady Undomiel on May 10, 2005 13:51:07 GMT -5
If you listen carefully (maybe not so carefully) you will hear Faramir say something like "A chance for Faramir to prove his worth". He wanted the ring to give to his father, so that he would be loved. he didn't want the ring for himself. Didn't anyone notice this? ?? i thought it was a very emotional part of the movie, poor Faramir just wants to be loved! Lady Eonev I agree up to a point with this but only one thing, it's: A chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor, to show his quality.
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