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Post by Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel on Dec 13, 2004 11:34:53 GMT -5
In the films he appears more of a lunatic than he does in the book because it's not explained that he went crazy by looking the palantir. And, correct me if i'm wrong, it doesn't show that he was using the palantir in the EE either. And as Billy (or was it Dom?) also pointed out, he wouldn't have ran to the end of the pier of rock sticking out of the city so fast, and he probably would've been to burnt to have kept running so i think that was a bit stupid (I'm moaning about minor details now lol.)
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Post by Evenstar on Dec 17, 2004 13:57:35 GMT -5
lol yeah
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Post by Raivynn on Dec 17, 2004 14:05:51 GMT -5
I agree that Denethor taking a run off the end of the rock was a little silly. But that was the movie version and he bore very little resemblence to that of the book Denethor. Just my opinion...
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Post by Nienor on Dec 17, 2004 20:42:42 GMT -5
Yup, I agree with Eadwyn.
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Post by Evenstar on Dec 18, 2004 12:11:30 GMT -5
Yea i know that part was a bit stupid, he was already half dead by the time he jumped off.
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Post by Ithilmir on Jan 2, 2005 21:43:26 GMT -5
All I have to say is that it was Denethor's insanity that turned me into a complete Faramir/ David Wenham fan(or obesser, as my friends would call me).
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Post by Alassiel on Jan 4, 2005 0:11:51 GMT -5
I think it was wrong of Denethor to have favoured Boromir over Faramir, personally I think Faramir was more mentally aware that he had to resist the ring, as it was very perilous. Denethor to me is just a delirious, insane steward who needed to be kicked back into place (or burnt rather).
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Post by Nienor on Jan 4, 2005 6:01:35 GMT -5
Of course it was wrong, but you do understand that he wasn't simply doing it to be cruel...? He had reasons for being mad.
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Post by oceansun on Jan 8, 2005 11:51:54 GMT -5
I think he was horrible to Faramir. But was it only looking in the palantir that made him cruel? I think he was nasty to Faramir even before that because i read somewhere that Faramir reminded him of Finduilas (Denethor's wife and mother to boromor and faramir) who had died shortly after faramir's birth. ~~Lady Orohisiel Rainyaviel~~ yeah that's what I've always thought plus he's a little crazy..pretty much what everyone else said.
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Post by aragornspal on Jan 10, 2005 21:51:46 GMT -5
Denthor is alot better in the books then in the movies. He has the city evacuated and scouts looking out for the enemywhile in the movie,hes not prepareded.
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Post by Raivynn on Jan 11, 2005 9:16:12 GMT -5
Like Nienor said, don't you think there was a reason for this? Hmmmm...perhaps maybe looking into the Palantir and being manipulated by Sauron?
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Post by beren on Jan 11, 2005 10:54:04 GMT -5
Well I think there's also another reason for his meaness towards Faramir apart from Finduilas death. Have u noticed tat denethor seemed to loathe Gandalf? Maybe tat was the reason y he was mean to Faramir and treated him unfairly bcos Faramir always socialize or hang out with Gandalf. Secondly, Denethor may be an evil person. As you know, he wanted the ring - The one Ring, cos he deemed tat the ring is the only hope to defend his people. But probably he has other designs, such as to dominate the world....who knows?
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Post by beren on Jan 11, 2005 10:59:50 GMT -5
something to add on.....how come Denethor dislikes Gandalf? did gandalf got something to do with denethor's wife death? I thought I read it somewhere else or issit my imagination? Can't remember
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Post by Raivynn on Jan 11, 2005 13:32:24 GMT -5
Again the word evil crops up. Denethor was NOT evil. He had been devastated, and left without hope. He was in my interpretation, given false hope in the Ring by Sauron, making Denethor think that the Ring could be the last grain of hope to save Gondor.
As for his relationship or lack thereof with Gandalf. That one is a tricky one. I don't believe for one minute that Gandalf would have been involved in the death of Finduilas. Gandalf was again in my interpretations, some sort of father figure to Faramir, and Denethor for many reasons could not let himself so close to Faramir, but was envious that Faramir could so easily strike up a friendship and a parental bond with someone that came and went as Gandalf did. That one is a bit harder for me to put into words.
But I stress...Denethor was NOT evil.
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Post by beren on Jan 12, 2005 3:48:59 GMT -5
Yes maybe Eadwyn was right, Denethor was not evil. Like everyone else had mentioned, he had been deceived by the palantir and turned insane or crazy. I do agree with this but he's not extremely insane cos in the chapter of The Siege of Gondor, Gandalf said : "You are strong and can still in some matters govern yourself, Denethor....". In my opinion Denethor has always been a proud, power lust and over-suspicious person. He refused Gandalf's counsel, thought tat Gandalf wishes to supplant him and denied the return of the king.
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